User talk:Sjl197

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Reference templates

Hello, and thank you for your contributions! For information, you can add the code {{subst:reftemp}} at the end of a reference in a reference template: that will automatically add a link to the reference page, a link to "Find all Wikispecies pages which cite this reference", and the category [[Category:Reference templates]]. This code substitutes the content of the template Template:Reftemp with the autogenerated one and copies it into the reference page. There is a link to add this code in the edit toolbox, below the edit window. Kind regards, Korg (talk) 14:40, 2 September 2023 (UTC)

Ok, thankyou, i will try it that way. It seems like in essence is shorthand way to substitute what i was usually appended onto references, but if you saw i forgot on some, then sorry. I put that substitution code into my setup now, much shorter - so less likely to forget parts! Sjl197 (talk) 23:35, 2 September 2023 (UTC)

​ Hello Sjl197. Also, using the {{subst:reftemp}} code snippet minimizes the risk of adding an incorrect backlink, since the template automatically adds the correct one. Compare it to for example this edit of the {{Pickard-Cambridge, 1905}} template, where you accidentally used the backlink "Template:Pickard-Cambridge, 1904" instead of "Template:Pickard-Cambridge, 1905". (As you can see I've now corrected the link, so no worries!) Best regards, Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 08:20, 3 September 2023 (UTC).

You're welcome! Just for info and completeness, there is also the ReftempZt template, for references with nomenclatural acts (their addition is optional). Example; the code {{subst:ReftempZt}} has been added at the end of the reference, in the first edit. All the best, Korg (talk) 17:25, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

Template:Clavareau, 1913

Just to inform you in case you weren't aware, the Clavareau reference template you actually wanted for Griburius and its species was actually {{Clavareau, 1913a}} on Wikispecies, not {{Clavareau, 1913}}. I personally set up those two templates back in 2020 for two volumes of Coleopterorum Catalogus by Clavareau published in 1913: the non-"a" template is for the volume containing Chrysomelidae subfamilies Sagrinae, Donaciinae, Orsodacninae and Criocerinae, and the "a" one is for the volume with six Chrysomelidae subfamilies including Cryptocephalinae (which is where Griburius is found). I hope this hasn't confused you too much, sorry! Monster Iestyn (talk) 23:27, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for this. I perhaps just linked that wrong one as too focused on their content for the usage of the taxon names, no confusion from how you named them on here. I just linked wrong one - and so thanks for the catch on my glitch. The actual confusion on my part it was about where the "Pars 52" was - of course by a different author entirely! Sjl197 (talk) 10:13, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

Oh okay then, fair enough! Monster Iestyn (talk) 13:25, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

Fragmenta Entomologia

Hello again. I wonder whether the journal Fragmenta Entomologia you refer to in Template:Roewer, 1956a in reality should be Fragmenta Entomologica, i.e. ISSN 0429-288X? Regards, Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 11:52, 2 October 2023 (UTC).

Ok thanks. I've altered my misspelling of that title, and in the source i copied from. Link to that ISSN seems ok to me, so i added also. The pdf for this also had a cover page which includes line "Edito dall'Istituto nazionale di entomologia, Roma" is that helps about the publisher 'formerly'. There's nothing in pdf to indicate publisher in Pavia, just Rome. - Elsewhere it reads "Autorizzazione del Tribunale di Roma n. 5027 del 24 - 1 - 1956 direttore responsabile: M.se Saverio Patrizi" Sjl197 (talk) 19:09, 2 October 2023 (UTC)

Autopatrolled

Hi,

Thank you for your many positive contributions. You seem to have got the hang of things, so I've made your account "[[Wikispecies:Autopatrollers|autopatrolled]".

It's not a requirement, but if you can it would be handy for you to link your new templates and biography pages to the equivalent on Wikidata (when they exist), as I just did, for example, by linking your Template:Benavides & Giribet, 2013 to A Revision of Selected Clades of Neotropical Mite Harvestmen (Arachnida, Opiliones, Cyphophthalmi, Neogoveidae) with the Description of Eight New Species (Q98685181). Let me know if you need assistance with that. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:49, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

Greetings, and many thanks. Yes, i feel i've got hang of core file setup, although some aspects of precise style still escape me, i'll keep trying to improve getting myself consistent with directions. As for the link to wikidata for references i'm adding or fixing up, then yes - i can attempt to do more of those future, i understand how: hence e.g. Q54554864. A return question though is how to find when they exist on wikidata - at moment the couple i've done are found by searches of the title, but is there a better way to find them?

Sjl197 (talk) 16:39, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

It can be good practice to use descending order of scale from the initial country down to an increasingly specific location.

I notice your well meaning edit on Help:Name section was reverted. Do you want me to post a proposal on the VP? Happy to help. Andyboorman (talk) 15:23, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

The practice in zoology is to maintain the type locality as described in the original description, and the order or other issues should not be changed. Any inclusion or correction must be included between [ ], to demonstrate what was included or corrected from the original presentation. Regards, Burmeister (talk) 15:31, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

Hi Both. I understand the idea to discuss on VP and in hindsight should have done it that way. I have no desire to open such discussion, i feel far too new to the system here to do that - but if others choose to, i'm interested to comment. I had written "It can be good practice to use descending order of scale from the initial country down to an increasingly specific location." There my intent was just to maybe clarify to other new users that the format shown already below that text was an appropriate format - perhaps my text could have better just said " "A example can be to use descending order..." therefore being more open to say that diverse formats are also acceptable. However, in the modern age of digitization and aims for universal comprehension, i'm personally not onboard with the idea it's best practice to "maintain the type locality as described in the original description". I understand any goals to try to standardize the content of 'type localities' can be tricky to implement - e.g. regions change names and borders, e.g. locations at various scales can be impossible to locate nowadays. Perhaps the compromise for future could be an interpretive statement - e.g. from a given set of place modern names, consistency of descending order i.e. Country: Major sub-region: etc. Then that universal interpretation is distinct and separate from a direct verbatim quote (i.e. "to maintain the type locality as described", where the question then is only about which language[s] to use for that).

Sjl197 (talk) 16:08, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

Name and ISSN of journal

Hello Sjl197. Regarding the template {{Soares & Soares, 1977}} you recently created, do you happen to know whether the journal "Physis, Sección C" you refer to (without wiki link) is the same journal as "Physis. Sección C. Los continentes y los organismos terrestres" with ISSN 0325-0369, found here: https://portal.issn.org/resource/ISSN/0325-0369

Kind regards, Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 15:17, 2 April 2024 (UTC).

Hi @Tommy Kronkvist:. Yes, absolutely - the pdf for that (1977 paper) has a footer which gives that same ISSN, saying within a series of typed boxes the words "ISSN 0325-0369", "Physis, Sección C", "Buenas Aires", "v. 37", "n. 93", "pag. 217-222", "noviembre 1977". So, from what i see, by 1977 the journal had by then split into three versions. See this overview - LINK: argentinian website. That website indicates perhaps the split was in 1973. I see another pdf by my same taxon authors from just earlier in 1972 where the footer reads "PHYSIS- Tomo XXXI, n. 82, pág. 203-218. Buenos Aires, enero de 1972". // Just a note, i didn't yet see a printed front section for the FULL later revised journal name - as you put above "Los continentes y los organismos terrestres", but note that for the few early editions on BHL, they write it as 'Succeeded by" then "Las continentales" etc, but to my eye that part of their suggested journal name is in far worse spanish! I've also seen other cases where BHL gets the titles wrong! Sjl197 (talk) 16:18, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

Oh, and yes - i left the journal name without wiki link exactly because i thought it did not fit onto the existing wikipage for a related ISSN - ISSN 0373-6709 Sjl197 (talk) 16:20, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for your thorough explanation, and as for your last remark: you're right, it doesn't! By the way, are you familiar with the table of journals listed on our ISSN page? It's automatically maintained by software hosted on Wikimedia Toolforge so there's no point in manually editing it by us users (our edits would be automatically erased during the automatic software runs). Nonetheless it's fairly well updated and can sometimes be very helpful when sorting out issues like this. Unfortunately not in this particular case, but otherwise it's often worth checking out when trying to pinpoint one specific journal out of several similarly named ones. The table is especially convenient since it doesn't only list the different journals' Wikispecies pages (named "Label" in the table), but also the Wikidata equivalents ("item"), links to the the official IDs at ISSN.org ("ISSN") and the journals' official abbreviations ("short name"). It also lists the scientific disciplines for about half of them.

Starting later today I will be literally out of every town for a few days, and therefore offline. I'll try to straighten all the question marks in regards to the different Physis editions when I come back, including creating a new, separate page for the "Sección C" journal. Until then: happy editing! –Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 01:54, 3 April 2024 (UTC).